Curse

Ashley Twig · Jul 18, 2005, 11:24 AM // 11:24

As far as I've seen it, german names that are abusive, will not be rejected by the system.
In my recent support-request to rename one of my characters from "May" to "Mayweed" I included the complaint about an offensive name that contained the word "Arsch", which, translated in the most polite way would mean "behind" or "butt".

The only feedback I got so far is, that a character can't be renamed which (from my pov) contradicts the FAQ which sais something about characters with offensive names being blocked for a while, giving the user the opportunity to rename it themselves.

Auntie I · Jul 18, 2005, 11:25 AM // 11:25

Thank you Gaile and Arenanet.
I appreciate your efforts to keep Guild Wars a civilized place.
Keep up the good work.

QTFsniper · Jul 18, 2005, 11:52 AM // 11:52

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Someone putting up a sales message in All Chat? That's not polite, but it's not actionable.

Wait what?? So there goes the whole point of the trade channel -_- Sure most of the spam is in the trade channel but we can all admit sometimes it isnt bearable in the standard chat. Anyways. thanks for the news! Alot of people here were saying " Oh we can so anything we want and if you dont like it, YOU can ignore us!" Anyone remember deathwing?

Guess who's wrong now?! WOOHOO

Mithie · Jul 18, 2005, 12:00 PM // 12:00

With regards to the cursing/swearing/using inappropriate four-lettered words:

There is a chat filter for that sort of stuff for those who do not wish to hear it, but it's rediculous to mark such language as a disciplineable offense.

I've often used four-lettered variants of "Firetruck" or "Schmit", usually after dying close to a mission's completion or half my team dropping out because someone said "press alt-f4 to activate bonus map" mid-mission.

I agree, excessive swearing maliciously or cursing that's clearly targeting another player should be grounds for discipline, but a line should and would have to be drawn between the former and calsual swearing/cussing out of stylistic or impulsive will.

dargon · Jul 18, 2005, 12:12 PM // 12:12

Yes, there is a filter, but the filter is only so smart. People can beat filters easily and they do all the time on purpose because they know you can filter them out and they think their tirade of swearing should be heard by you.

Phades · Jul 18, 2005, 12:13 PM // 12:13

The position ANET has taken to remove bad elements from the game is something i give them alot of credit for. Many other games and companies seem to just turn a blind eye to the large majority of what goes on or takes far too long to invoke any kind of disciplinary action. The average player is typically fine game to game, but when you compare the extreemes, id say that guildwars doesnt dip nearly as low compared to many others that are pay to play based service schemes.

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

So if you see bad behavior, send us a report. It's easy to remember: support.guildwars.com.

Unfortunatly, the last time i used this to submit a report, i was sent a reply stating i didnt have an active user account anymore. Strange though as my lineage account isnt active of course, but my guildwars account is fine... I havent tried to use this line of communication since.

Mithie · Jul 18, 2005, 12:18 PM // 12:18

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Originally Posted by dargon

Yes, there is a filter, but the filter is only so smart. People can beat filters easily and they do all the time on purpose because they know you can filter them out and they think their tirade of swearing should be heard by you.

Well, in that case, I'm sure purposeful bypassing of the filter is a reprehensible act, since it's a form of feature abuse.

Navaros · Jul 18, 2005, 02:18 PM // 14:18

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

If you send a report from time to time, I guarantee we'll be happy to do our part to make the game world better.

pardon me for playing devil's advocate here: but stifling free speech is not going to make the game better

there are lot of very bad players who do incredibly stupid things to ruin one's day in Guild Wars. i'm not talking about "cursing", i'm talking about them playing the game itself in the stupidest way imaginable

in my view these people should expect and completely deserve to be cursed.

is anything being done to penalize them? them being those who play stupidly. and if not, why not? they are far worse for ruining one's experience than a cursing player is

furthermore, in my view it is extremely hypocritical to call a game Guild Wars and then say people can not curse or flame. in Wars , people get killed and all sorts of other atrocities happen. cursing or flaming etc. is just "small potatoes" compared to what Wars entail. hence a game with the word Wars in the title should have a prerequisite that people can say what ever they want to.

Algren Cole · Jul 18, 2005, 02:41 PM // 14:41

on a side note...will NCsoft ban accounts for 'whoring' the /bug command?

is this command still on?

I coulda sworn last night while doing Thunderhead Keep y'all were watching.

/bug uhm HELLO???
/bug ya...the mobs aren't coming
/bug can you like force them to come or something? I'm kinda bored
/bug is this thing on?
/bug oh snap I think they're coming
/bug I'm DYIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNG!!!!
/bug MAKE EM GO AWAY!!! MAKE THEM LEAVE
/bug thanks...i'm dead

Epinephrine · Jul 18, 2005, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by Navaros

pardon me for playing devil's advocate here: but stifling free speech is not going to make the game better

There is no free speech. You don't even understand your own country's laws if you believe that you have "free speech". Your free speech is just as, or more, limited than those of many other countries. In particular, you have no contistutional protection in ANet's world.

Free speech is limited by slander and libel.
Free speech is limited by hate laws.
Free speech can land you in jail if it is threatening, if it might lead to uprising (inciting a riot), if it violates court gag orders, if it reveals sensitive information, if it violates certain privacy laws.

You don't have free speech - you just think you do.

Aniewiel · Jul 18, 2005, 03:52 PM // 15:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epinephrine

There is no free speech. You don't even understand your own country's laws if you believe that you have "free speech". Your free speech is just as, or more, limited than those of many other countries. In particular, you have no contistutional protection in ANet's world.

Free speech is limited by slander and libel.
Free speech is limited by hate laws.
Free speech can land you in jail if it is threatening, if it might lead to uprising (inciting a riot), if it violates court gag orders, if it reveals sensitive information, if it violates certain privacy laws.

You don't have free speech - you just think you do.

Probably not the best venue for a political speech.

Epinephrine · Jul 18, 2005, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

Probably not the best venue for a political speech.

Gahhh. I just get tired of the "free speech" statements made by people who just don't get it. I admin on 6 servers for an FPS and we have rules about conduct and language, and nearly every day it seems like I end up having to explain to someone that since we pay for the server and host the players on it, we make the rules. No free speech protecton; it's our house, our rules. Same goes for ANet's game - you play by their rules or you don't play.

Damon Windwalker · Jul 18, 2005, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

Probably not the best venue for a political speech.

While I'm always down for a good political discussion - I don't take this as one (ok - maybe it could have been put a litle better) - but the info was correcvt and to the point.

People also don't understand that "free speech" has it's limits as to 8where* it is protected. You do not have the right to free speech in my house - if I don't like what you say, i have the right to kick you out. That same statement holds true in businesses, forum boards, and on-line games...

Also - with every right also comes responsibility. Just because you *can* say something doesn't mean that you *should* say it....

Aniewiel · Jul 18, 2005, 04:31 PM // 16:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epinephrine

Gahhh. I just get tired of the "free speech" statements made by people who just don't get it. I admin on 6 servers for an FPS and we have rules about conduct and language, and nearly every day it seems like I end up having to explain to someone that since we pay for the server and host the players on it, we make the rules. No free speech protecton; it's our house, our rules. Same goes for ANet's game - you play by their rules or you don't play.

Dont' get me wrong, Epinephrine. I agree with you! When you're at my house, you will speak according to my rules or get out. It's kind of the same idea with game servers and such. People just don't get it. They use the "free speech" excuse to act like jerks wherever they go and assume that the rest of us just have to put up with it.

Darkest Dawn · Jul 18, 2005, 04:32 PM // 16:32

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Originally Posted by Epinephrine

Gahhh. I just get tired of the "free speech" statements made by people who just don't get it. I admin on 6 servers for an FPS and we have rules about conduct and language, and nearly every day it seems like I end up having to explain to someone that since we pay for the server and host the players on it, we make the rules. No free speech protecton; it's our house, our rules. Same goes for ANet's game - you play by their rules or you don't play.

I totally agree. I moderate a forum and always get challenges to our rules, and accusations of being against free speech.

This isn't the market place, it is a privately owned site, so house rules do apply!

Navaros · Jul 18, 2005, 05:27 PM // 17:27

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Originally Posted by Epinephrine

There is no free speech.

you're right, there is no free speech

i am not saying there is

nor am i disputing ANet's right to stifle free speech

my point is that for ANet to do that is morally wrong. even though they have the right to do so, they should not

Oni No Arashi · Jul 18, 2005, 06:03 PM // 18:03

Since when is ensuring that stuff done in something you own MORALLY WRONG?

Can you walk into a church and start swearing at people?
Can you walk into someone's house and just start berating them and threatening them?

I'm the admin on a few forums myself... it's a privatly own server, thus it's not PUBLIC, therefore they have every MORAL right to control it to allow ALL to have a good time there.

You can't walk down the street in public and just start verbally attacking people either. So why should you be able to do it on a private server?

Sheesh, there is nothing morally wrong with it. There is something morally wrong with people who try to self interperect 'free speach' to allow them to do anything they want to.

Obsidian Dragon · Jul 20, 2005, 08:33 PM // 20:33

The fact that people feel compelled to t-y-p-e out foul language just kills me.

Of course the same could be said about speaking it I guess

My personal favorite are those that put spaces in the words to try and get around filters or whatever. What a complete waste of time

Lasareth · Jul 20, 2005, 08:35 PM // 20:35

The censor's pretty thorough. It covers words separated by punctuation or spaces. You'd have to try pretty hard to bypass it, and if you do, then you're obviously trying to get in trouble.

Aniewiel · Jul 20, 2005, 08:41 PM // 20:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

you're right, there is no free speech

i am not saying there is

nor am i disputing ANet's right to stifle free speech

my point is that for ANet to do that is morally wrong. even though they have the right to do so, they should not

In a private game, on a private server, in someone's private home, the only morals anyone has to follow are their own.